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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 9:54 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    A beautiful post KZ hugssss V
Thank you V. It seemed like a good time to point out that not everyone who needs a helping hand is lazy or refuses to help himself. We're certainly a species that competes but we're also a species that works together and cooperates. How we treat the weaker members of our tribe can speak of our strength, not our weakness. It's a matter of choice.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 9:57 am

    Quoting  :

And a few among us could start consuming a hell of a lot less. That it is so few is shameful.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 10:29 am

    Quoting  :

I think most Americans have fallen for the con, or at least have found it expedient to pay lip service to believing it. The worst calamity to befall the USA in the twentieth century was the collapse of the Soviet Union. If we're not careful, we're next. Conservatives here are systematically destroying everything that was unique and good about us as a nation. All they see is a military colossus that enforces its will on anyone who takes issue with its empty platitudes. Right now we're having a hell of a fight to put our own house in order. We won't win by making jokes about fleeing across the border to Canada. This is a fight worth having.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 10:39 am

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    I read Larry Elliott's piece in The Guardian and, though not praising Brexit, argued that it provoded an opportunity to re-balance the British economy. I hope that happens but I'm not holding my breath.
    What I meant by an alternative organising idea was an idea with increasing political and popular support to challenge the neoliberal capitalist hegemony that has dominated the West since the late 1970s.
    Socialism and social democracy is in retreat (even if Hillary Clinton wins), communism is almost dead, anarchism only attracts minority support, and green ideas, though more poular, are being assimilated.
    Capitalism, perhaps along with nationalsim, is the only serious game in town.
Take heart, Spunky. In Michigan Hillary Clinton was projected to win the Democratic primary by twenty to thirty points. Instead Bernie Sanders won a narrow victory, which amounted to a huge upset. Socialism isn't a boogie man to Americans who are being bled white by capitalism run amok. They see a chance at equality and opportunity in socialism. Bernie pulled off these upsets all across the country, gaining momentum as he went. What have we got to lose? Only a system that treats us as dupes and commodities.

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
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10/26/2016 11:12 am

    Quoting kzoopair:
    Take heart, Spunky. In Michigan Hillary Clinton was projected to win the Democratic primary by twenty to thirty points. Instead Bernie Sanders won a narrow victory, which amounted to a huge upset. Socialism isn't a boogie man to Americans who are being bled white by capitalism run amok. They see a chance at equality and opportunity in socialism. Bernie pulled off these upsets all across the country, gaining momentum as he went. What have we got to lose? Only a system that treats us as dupes and commodities.
Your post has provoked a lot of thought in blogland.
You are right that the support given to Bernie Sanders is a beacon of hope, something for the Left to build upon. Unfortunately, in this country which i realise is not a major player, our equivalent of Bernie Sanders is Jeremy Corbyn who seems more concerned at picking fights with the Labour MPs than attractting support to win power to change things.
I think he's more interested in being a leader of an opposition party than trying turn the Labour Party into a governing party.
Next year there are important elections in France and Germany; they'll be interesting. I expect the Right to do well in France and the Far Right to do well in Germany.


NaughtyInSO 113F
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10/26/2016 11:43 am

I lived half of my life in the regime that we were told was communism. Then, my life took a sharp turn and I ended up in the regime that called itself capitalism.
None of that was true because 'communism' was deeply corrupted socialism that retained small elements of feudalism and capitalism, and 'capitalism' here in the US has major elements of socialism.

There's no pure socialism, as there's no pure capitalism. Utopia doesn't exist. The best we can do is to find a compromise between two structures. This process could take centuries of educating masses, getting rid of government corruption, changing voting systems, etc, etc, etc.... Another Utopia indeed.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 2:09 pm

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    I lived half of my life in the regime that we were told was communism. Then, my life took a sharp turn and I ended up in the regime that called itself capitalism.
    None of that was true because 'communism' was deeply corrupted socialism that retained small elements of feudalism and capitalism, and 'capitalism' here in the US has major elements of socialism.

    There's no pure socialism, as there's no pure capitalism. Utopia doesn't exist. The best we can do is to find a compromise between two structures. This process could take centuries of educating masses, getting rid of government corruption, changing voting systems, etc, etc, etc.... Another Utopia indeed.
You're right of course- Utopia doesn't exist. I'm fascinated by the attempts to create one though. From Oneida to New Harmony to the Shakers they all tried to find a better way to live. And I have criticisms of every one of them!

It's a lot harder to actually go out and do a thing than it is to talk about it. I'm partial to Rosa Luxemburg's Theory of Permanent Revolution, later taken up by Trotsky. The idea being that our political devices are destined to be chaotic and forever in turmoil. That we need a constant boil to bring up new ideas and leaders from the bottom to replace those at the top who will surely become entrenched if allowed to remain in power. We do need pragmatic rather than ideological solutions to problems. That used to be one of America's strengths.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 2:14 pm

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    Your post has provoked a lot of thought in blogland.
    You are right that the support given to Bernie Sanders is a beacon of hope, something for the Left to build upon. Unfortunately, in this country which i realise is not a major player, our equivalent of Bernie Sanders is Jeremy Corbyn who seems more concerned at picking fights with the Labour MPs than attractting support to win power to change things.
    I think he's more interested in being a leader of an opposition party than trying turn the Labour Party into a governing party.
    Next year there are important elections in France and Germany; they'll be interesting. I expect the Right to do well in France and the Far Right to do well in Germany.
I fear you may be right that the right wing swing hasn't reached the apogee of its orbit. I once thought that it wouldn't get any worse that Reagan.

I'd take some issue though that the UK is not a major player. Its influence is still considerable around the world, for better of for worse.

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ProfPlayful 53M
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10/26/2016 9:16 pm

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon told us "Property is theft."

So did Zaphod Beeblebrox.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/26/2016 10:18 pm

    Quoting ProfPlayful:
    Pierre-Joseph Proudhon told us "Property is theft."

    So did Zaphod Beeblebrox.
I'm inclined to agree, especially as the planet becomes overcrowded. And with that, I hear few people discussing overpopulation these days. When I was young it was all the rage to claim that there were too many of us. Of course, the problem with that is that there are few people volunteering to leave.

I never could bring myself to trust Beeblebrox.

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goodatpoetry2 74M
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10/28/2016 3:13 am

That IS one hell of a long sentence!
But it does make a hell of a lot of sense, too.


08540Tantrafun 60M  
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10/28/2016 6:28 pm

Bill, The Constitution of India was adopted by the Constituent Assembly on 26 November 1949, and came into force on 26 January 1950. See what happened to the British pound since that date.

Yesterday Apple introduced the new Macbook pro 15" for $1799. The price in Britain #1799. ie 1 dollar =1 pound. A 500 pound increase for the Brits from Last year. Most of the British common wealth currencies are going to tank, with it all their standard of living.

Dollar becomes the king. Corporatism have completely replaced colonialism. U.S has replaced the British Empire. Today The United States is the world's largest national economy representing 22% of nominal global GDP and 17% of gross world product .The U.S. economy grew by an average of 3.8% from 1946 to 1973, while real median household income surged 74%.

Nordic countries are not socialistic. But people there demand that all their citizens are treated humanly and equally by their governments. Approximately 90% of all resources and companies are privately owned, with a minority of 5% owned by the state and another 5% operating as either consumer or producer cooperatives. Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden averaged 56.28 percent from 1995 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 61.40 percent in 1996 and a record low of 51.50 percent in 2000.

A 2015 survey by market research institute TNS Sifo concluded that the Tax Agency Skatteverket,has the third best reputation – beaten only by Lantmäteriet (responsible for property division) and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office (PRV) – of 27 major Swedish public bodies, scoring highly for its customer service and for ‘contributing positively to society’.

‘You don’t have to like taxes, but most people seem confident that things are done fairly’, Toivo Sjörén of TNS Sifo says. By contrast its American equivalent, the Internal Revenue Service, is one of the least popular federal agencies in the United States, according to a 2015 poll by Pew Research Center .

Swedish word for tax – skatt – means: treasure. The word for tax itself has such positive connotations. The reason is that all are treated with dignity from cradle to grave – literally.

Subsidising college for qualified students would give a lot of people a chance at mobility. Georgia already does it with great success. lottery money was supposed to do that in N.J, god knows what that money is being spend on. Kids are not getting it.

Universal healthcare and opportunity for hard working kids to attend universities or trade school regardless of income, race or gender could make a huge difference in our country.

Unfortunately as the dollar strengthens only the rich Americans get to enjoy the power of the mighty dollar. Poor doesn't have any.

It is not ism's but policies that address the basic human needs that works. free enterprise, free trade with high taxes and tariffs paying for universal health care and quality education/training.

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
10/28/2016 8:59 pm

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    The Levellers were well ahead of their time in promoting socialism.
    I just can't fully understand why far more people aren't socialist, but capitalist forces are at play.
    After the so-called global financial crisis in 2007/2008, I was hoping that an alternative organising idea would emerge - whether green, socialist, anarchist or whatever - but it didn't happen. Neoliberal capitalism, it seems, is the only game in town. And all politicians can do now is to promise to manage capitalism better.
    I've just re-read John Rawls' theory of justice and his case for equality, or at least moving towards greater equality, seems more relevant now than when he was writing in the 1970s.
    If people, under a veil of ignorance - not knowing how their perfect society would affect them - planned their utopia, it would not be this society. People would prefer equality and social justice.
    But many people know they have a vested interest in inequality so keep supporting the system.
    I took out a mortgage to buy my apartment. Consequently, I like low interest rates. I have a material interest in capitalism working. Capitalism just corrupts!
    Sorry, your post prompted me to go off on one!
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tickles4us 62M
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10/28/2016 10:13 pm

I guess there is a reason greed is considered a sin and justifiably so. Seems people have known about the propensity of men to grab for what they want and not let go for ages.

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BeccaLuvs 61F
20895 posts
10/29/2016 1:02 pm

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/29/2016 1:54 pm

    Quoting goodatpoetry2:
    That IS one hell of a long sentence!
    But it does make a hell of a lot of sense, too.
It was the seventeenth century- they tended to string their thoughts into such long sentences. It can seem hard to follow for modern readers.

But of course it makes sense. The commons knew they had been robbed and were being screwed by the system.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/29/2016 1:59 pm

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    Bill, The Constitution of India was adopted by the Constituent Assembly on 26 November 1949, and came into force on 26 January 1950. See what happened to the British pound since that date.

    Yesterday Apple introduced the new Macbook pro 15" for $1799. The price in Britain #1799. ie 1 dollar =1 pound. A 500 pound increase for the Brits from Last year. Most of the British common wealth currencies are going to tank, with it all their standard of living.

    Dollar becomes the king. Corporatism have completely replaced colonialism. U.S has replaced the British Empire. Today The United States is the world's largest national economy representing 22% of nominal global GDP and 17% of gross world product .The U.S. economy grew by an average of 3.8% from 1946 to 1973, while real median household income surged 74%.

    Nordic countries are not socialistic. But people there demand that all their citizens are treated humanly and equally by their governments. Approximately 90% of all resources and companies are privately owned, with a minority of 5% owned by the state and another 5% operating as either consumer or producer cooperatives. Personal Income Tax Rate in Sweden averaged 56.28 percent from 1995 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 61.40 percent in 1996 and a record low of 51.50 percent in 2000.

    A 2015 survey by market research institute TNS Sifo concluded that the Tax Agency Skatteverket,has the third best reputation – beaten only by Lantmäteriet (responsible for property division) and the Swedish Patent and Registration Office (PRV) – of 27 major Swedish public bodies, scoring highly for its customer service and for ‘contributing positively to society’.

    ‘You don’t have to like taxes, but most people seem confident that things are done fairly’, Toivo Sjörén of TNS Sifo says. By contrast its American equivalent, the Internal Revenue Service, is one of the least popular federal agencies in the United States, according to a 2015 poll by Pew Research Center .

    Swedish word for tax – skatt – means: treasure. The word for tax itself has such positive connotations. The reason is that all are treated with dignity from cradle to grave – literally.

    Subsidising college for qualified students would give a lot of people a chance at mobility. Georgia already does it with great success. lottery money was supposed to do that in N.J, god knows what that money is being spend on. Kids are not getting it.

    Universal healthcare and opportunity for hard working kids to attend universities or trade school regardless of income, race or gender could make a huge difference in our country.

    Unfortunately as the dollar strengthens only the rich Americans get to enjoy the power of the mighty dollar. Poor doesn't have any.

    It is not ism's but policies that address the basic human needs that works. free enterprise, free trade with high taxes and tariffs paying for universal health care and quality education/training.
They key phrase here is of course "Corporatism have completely replaced colonialism". It's the same old shit, just different names. I agree with you that it isn't about "-isms". We need pragmatic solutions. You won't find a single "-ism" in Walwyn's quote.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/29/2016 2:00 pm

    Quoting tickles4us:
    The fat lady ain't sang yet...
Just right Tickles- she ain't!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/29/2016 2:03 pm

    Quoting tickles4us:
    I guess there is a reason greed is considered a sin and justifiably so. Seems people have known about the propensity of men to grab for what they want and not let go for ages.
As I mentioned in another comment, most of their solutions were theological- they looked to God and the Bible for perspective and guidance, but otherwise they were modern thinkers. However, the demand for justice is as old as our species. Even animals have demonstrated a sense of fair play.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/29/2016 2:05 pm

    Quoting BeccaLuvs:
    Oh wow K! So glad I tuned into your Blog now! Your Blogs and photography for "Red, Yellow, Green and Blue" are awesome! I truly felt like I was walking on that gravel track, the leaves crunching under my feet, or looking up into the blue, blue sky! Great stuff! Just goes to show that the 'good' things in life will always be "free"?!
They're free if we take them.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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10/30/2016 7:39 am

    Quoting  :

It fascinates me that there was so much political and philosophical sophistication lying beneath the surface at the time of the Civil War. We've long been taught that the masses were ignorant and illiterate, but they were far more aware than they're generally given credit for. All it took was the removal of royal authority to bring it boiling to the surface. I'm especially drawn to the Ranters, who wasted no time in drinking, eating and fucking to excess while they had the chance! There was a brief window before the Presbyterians seized control when people could speak and live freely, and they grabbed it with both hands.

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
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11/5/2016 9:08 am

"Full of sound and fury signifying nothing" After such a boisterous, vain and venal election. There will be nearly no change in the Congress. When Buffetts hordes cash. Watch out! He sold high, now waiting for the crash, so that he can pick up shares for pennies on the dollar. This is why the rich gets richer very fast. The compounding effect. Until people starts voting out incumbents en mass nothing will change.

From Bloomberg news yesterday: "Warren Buffett is sitting on more cash than ever.His Berkshire Hathaway Inc. had almost $85 billion on its books as of Sept. 30, according to a regulatory filing late Friday. That’s up from the previous record of $72.7 billion on June 30."

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
11/5/2016 9:57 am

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    "Full of sound and fury signifying nothing" After such a boisterous, vain and venal election. There will be nearly no change in the Congress. When Buffetts hordes cash. Watch out! He sold high, now waiting for the crash, so that he can pick up shares for pennies on the dollar. This is why the rich gets richer very fast. The compounding effect. Until people starts voting out incumbents en mass nothing will change.

    From Bloomberg news yesterday: "Warren Buffett is sitting on more cash than ever.His Berkshire Hathaway Inc. had almost $85 billion on its books as of Sept. 30, according to a regulatory filing late Friday. That’s up from the previous record of $72.7 billion on June 30."
I think it's nigh impossible to predict if there will be a change in Congress. It's true that gerrymandering has skewed outcomes in Congressional races so that only a few are competitive. Along with getting the money out of the equation a new system of drawing districts should be priority one. I'm doubtful that Clinton has the coattails to influence down ballot races. And I don't think Trump has that kind of influence either.

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