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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/3/2016 10:16 am

    Quoting 39lawless:
    I was a crazy book reading fool for most of my childhood - if you couldn't find me, go look in a corner and surely I would be there totally absorbed by whatever book I was into at the moment.

    I'm still a big book reader but I've also learned that life is meant to be lived, not just read!

    I'm a huge fan of Dan Millman (Way of the Peaceful Warrior). He takes complex ideas and puts them into accessible language and stories. That is way more meaningful to me than trying to wade through some of the other philosophers.

    Great blog - thanks for sharing!
Thanks! Reading was just fun for me. It always did open up worlds of other imaginations for me, and nurtured my own.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/3/2016 10:19 am

    Quoting LemonSqueezy7116:
    I love reading, and I'll a paperback over an ebook anyway. I currently have "Dark Places" by Gillian Flynn and "The Enigma" by Alan Turing.

    I'll tell you a secret ... I actually attend a bible study class ... So that book (or books) I've read and been reading ...
Reading a paper book is a sensual thing. It has texture and smell and a beauty of its own. I have a nook but I hate using it.

It took me a long time to get around to reading the Bible, and it was the unlikeliest of teachers who inspired me- George Orwell.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/3/2016 10:20 am

    Quoting HermanG67:
    words are very powerful....
They can be.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/3/2016 10:30 am

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Thank you sweetie. I expect we all have secrets and probably have many that we'll never want to spill. This secret of life that I used to believe in- the secret is that there isn't any secret. That amuses me, and I'm mostly amused at myself. There are times when I think that our heightened consciousness of self as humans is something of a curse instead of a blessing. There's contradiction in everything. The poor and indigent are usually spared the misery of searching for meaning. They're too occupied with securing a meal. It's a rich man's pursuit. And as a socialist politically, I want to see men's material needs insured...so that they can then torture themselves with those same endless and unanswerable questions.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/3/2016 10:35 am

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This is my main complaint with many philosophers- they never learned or took the trouble to write well. If your treatise is so impenetrable that no one will read it, you might better have never written it. Language that fails to communicate is hardly language at all- it's just gibberish. I might as well have tried reading Nietzsche in German- he made me want to claw my eyes out.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/3/2016 11:22 am

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    It was my father who read to me when I was small...Winnie the Pooh and The Just So Stories. As I grew older it was my father who came in to my room at night after I had fallen asleep reading to put a bookmark in the open book and turn out the light.

    The local library is perhaps just 5 minutes away from my house but I haven't been there as often lately as I should. I'm dipping in and out of a gardening book just now.

My father did some reading to us too, but he was less accessible. He had more of a carrot and stick approach to leading us. He held the knowledge just out of reach and assured me I'd never get there. My mother was the encouraging one.

I thought I'd read more in retirement. I went to the library the other day and was embarrassed that my card had expired. Lately I've been picking up books more often again. So now I'm reading three at the same time!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/3/2016 11:27 am

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Thank you dear!

I read before school too but I wasn't any prodigy. It was simple stuff appropriate for a kid my age, or maybe a bit older. Animal stories were a favorite of mine too- I even wrote a book about a dog when I was nine or ten. Mercifully, that has disappeared!

I always lag behind in figuring out meanings and I can be frustratingly blind to symbolism. My wife is all over that. She reads between the lines like nobody's business!

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tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
4/3/2016 3:54 pm

    Quoting kzoopair:
    A number of scientists see philosophy as a waste of time and energy. I don't necessarily see it that way. The exercise has value, but I like the principle of "Keep it simple, stupid". All the same, it's a luxury not many can afford. You have to be pretty sure of where your next meal is coming from to indulge.
I can't say that I would call philosophy a waste of time and energy but I would say that some philosophers are exactly that. It does have it's value for opening up new paths and ways of looking at things. I like to listen to the religious philosophers and how they talk themselves in circles.

It has always been a pursuit for the wealthy and the religious that have time on their hands and someone else's money or charity to live on.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/3/2016 3:59 pm

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I'm always a sucker for them still. Have you seen "The Drop"?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/3/2016 4:19 pm

    Quoting tickles4us:
    I can't say that I would call philosophy a waste of time and energy but I would say that some philosophers are exactly that. It does have it's value for opening up new paths and ways of looking at things. I like to listen to the religious philosophers and how they talk themselves in circles.

    It has always been a pursuit for the wealthy and the religious that have time on their hands and someone else's money or charity to live on.
It was fun to think about, and wonder at, when I was young. My wife got her masters degree in philosophy: "Sex, Magic and Transformation: Three Patterns of Gendered Polarity, Disintegration and Change in the Modern West". Now she calls her thesis bullshit- not because of the content. She stands by her research and conclusions. But she had to play the game- learn that esoteric and rarefied language of academia that sets them apart from the great unwashed and is intelligible only to the high priests and their acolytes. And she had to play an extended version of that game, being a woman trying to invade the exclusively male word of philosophy. They made it clear that her presence was resented. She was banished to "Women's Studies" as an instructor.

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myelin36 53F
3612 posts
4/3/2016 6:25 pm

I like books that are thought provoking but some of that philosophy stuff is just too deep for my preference.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/3/2016 7:28 pm

    Quoting myelin36:
    I like books that are thought provoking but some of that philosophy stuff is just too deep for my preference.
I read for entertainment and I think I always have. Learning is great entertainment, if you have a good book or a good teacher. It doesn't have to be obscure, and it won't be if the writer is trying to teach, or illuminate. Joseph Conrad and Herman Melville wrote about deep, troubling things and both told terrific stories. How can you get better than "Heart of Darkness" or "Moby Dick"?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/4/2016 12:07 am

    Quoting Honeydripper126:
    excellent post , you attempting to balance both sides of yourself . I got my love for reading from my father . He left school in the 7th grade , but he loved reading . To this day he is still one of the smartest people I have ever known ....He ate up knowledge from books , and newspapers always staying informed ....and he had a knack of being the one others turned to for advice . His knowledge was based on what he learned just living each day
Thank you! I did finish school, but washed out in college. It was a lot more fun chasing women and getting high than studying!

I think most people who love reading learn it early, and often from their families.

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
4/4/2016 5:51 am

Ty KZ a great read while I was enjoying my coffee while the sun was coming up. I enjoy books I can deep into and loose yourself. I see humor had a wonderful turnout this time as well. Great to see hugs V

Excellent post!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/4/2016 10:10 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Ty KZ a great read while I was enjoying my coffee while the sun was coming up. I enjoy books I can deep into and loose yourself. I see humor had a wonderful turnout this time as well. Great to see hugs V

    Excellent post!
Thank you, V. It's nice to see you back. How was Mexico?

I like deep and I like shallow. Julian Jaynes' brilliant theories fascinate me and the inanity of Wodehouse delights me. Jaynes wrote one book with a bold new theory and interdisciplinary genius, and Wodehouse wrote one plot- boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back- but he wrote it a hundred tomes and it never got old.

Hugggggs B

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/4/2016 10:11 am

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Now I gotta watch John Wick. I haven't seen that.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/4/2016 10:47 am

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I really like hibernating with a stack of good books. And I was always spurred on by not having read some what some sage had written. I had to be in the know! I don't know if any book in particular was a life changing experience, but the first Wodehouse I picked up was "The Brinkmanship of Galahad Threepwood" and it set me up for a lifetime of pure joy.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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4/4/2016 3:10 pm

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I do count forty two! It was as brilliant an answer as any other I've found.

I learned a lot along the way, most significantly how much I don't know.

I tried audiobooks when I was still a driver, and found that it was kind of distracting- the driving, I mean. I missed a lot of the book due to operating the truck. I bet I'd like them a lot more now that I'm done working. Thanks for mentioning that...you started something here.

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
1072 posts
4/4/2016 8:35 pm

“I don’t know, I don’t care, and it doesn’t matter anyway.” I guess this is your way of telling people to go fuck some one, which is much more fun than pondering meaning of life. Enjoy the way you craft words and ideas in your post.

"Rules for happiness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for.”― Immanuel Kant .


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/4/2016 10:18 pm

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    “I don’t know, I don’t care, and it doesn’t matter anyway.” I guess this is your way of telling people to go fuck some one, which is much more fun than pondering meaning of life. Enjoy the way you craft words and ideas in your post.
Thanks, Kama. It's a lot more fun. You can think when you're finished and your head is clear.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/5/2016 9:49 am

    Quoting PerleDeSoie:
    I do not read a lot and I feel guilty for that long. Now, when I tell myself it does not matter, curiously I read more and more.
    But I think we learn more from others. Human relationships teach us much.

I think we learn a great deal from others. For me, books are a way of learning from those long dead or far away. Thank you for visiting- please come back soon!

Je pense que nous apprenons beaucoup de d'autres. Pour moi, les livres sont une voie de l'apprentissage de ces long mort ou lointain. Merci de la visite veuillez être revenue bientôt!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/5/2016 11:24 am

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@ Dick Hard! Blogito ergo sum.

I live with a recovering philosopher now. She takes it easy on me.

I like reading aloud sometimes too- there are things that just sound so good when spoken- Peter O'Toole reciting Sonnet Eighteen. Kubla Khan. Ben Jonson's Song to Celia. Damn near anything Lewis Black writes is even better if he says it aloud.

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nightsoul1962 61F
17828 posts
4/7/2016 11:12 pm

Awesome, just awesome!!!!!!

WITHOUT PASSION LIFE IS NOTHING


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
4/8/2016 9:09 am

Thank you Nightsoul. It's good to see you back.

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gardenboy321 60M  
41936 posts
4/10/2016 12:08 am

First of all let me say well done!

Like yourself I have always been a voracious reader, and a "searcher". I've always felt there have been so many that came before us who have lived a lifetime, and had so much to impart to us. Books contain the knowledge of humanity, and if ever there was wisdom in the world, it's to be found in books.

I'm currently reading Steve Erickson's "Tours of the Black Clock", and that sucker is rocking my world.

Thoughts from the Garden...


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